Um, tell a friend about it and let's continue to tell the story of this cool species. Um, you can also find us on all the social media apps, make sure to subscribe to this podcast, give it a rating and review that helps other people find it. You can get the free SeaDoc Society newsletter at /newsletter to follow what's happening with the whales and this ecosystem, the Salish Sea as a whole. So I'm gonna kick it over to Jason Colby. And if the information is presented in the right way, like we, as a culture can change, and quickly if we need to. Seeing the pace that that change happened and thinking about some other like big environmental issues that we have climate change being the first one that pops into mind. And you hear from some of these people that were involved in that toward the end of the book in ways that I think, and we get to it toward the end of our interview that are pretty effecting there, I get a little bit of chills talking about it. And also you're hearing a bit about the evolution of his dad's kind of like, feelings about what he was a part of over time. Who's then kind of recounting it as a historian. It's an amazing story because you're getting this thing told from the perspective of a kid whose dad worked in that world that was part of the process of taking whales into captivity. I like can't say enough about how much inspiration I take from that change of perception and, more I think from the timeline that it happened over, you know, he mentioned this, you bring it up people's perception of these whales and with it kind of whales in general flipped just over the course of 10 years, 20 years, something like that, like that is an amazing thing. And, "oh my God, why are we putting these animals in captivity", which is kind of where we are now, yeah? This book follows the way that we've perceived orcas over time from beasts that needed to be killed, to amazing smart animals that could be kept in tanks for show, to amazing smart animals that should be out in the wild. They were just viewed as this sort of ruthless predator that, uh, you know, one, I think a lot of the perception really came out of like the whalers and people like observing orcas killing, like these big, larger whales, you know, blue whales or humpbacks or whatever, which is like a pretty violent act, you know? Uh, and I think they just wrap that all up in the, your standard like, "Oh, I'm afraid of carnivores and afraid of predators" that has persisted forever. And Kevin, what was the kind of initial perception of orcas, by honestly, um, European white people, that came to this area? And in this episode, we kind of follow human perception of orcas over time. His most recent book, I believe, is "Orca - how we came to know and love the ocean's greatest predator". He's also an author and a very good author. As you said, we're talking to Jason Colby, who is a history professor at the University of Victoria among other things. It says it in the episode title, so I think people got it. I'm pretty stoked to talk about Jason Colby - that might've been a spoiler alert, but yeah, I'm great. Welcome to Pod of Orcas, I'm Justin Cox and I'm here with SeaDoc Society board member, Kevin Campion as always.
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